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Advanced Forehand Topspin (Loop) | Table Tennis | PingSkills


Hi, I’m Alois Rosario from PingSkills. Today
we’re going to talk to you about the advanced forehand topspin. In our lesson on the forehand topspin we’ve
already shown you the start and finish positions. These are still crucial when you’re trying
to play an advanced forehand topspin. So let’s first focus on the legs. To generate
more speed or have the potential to generate more speed we need to have our legs really
bent and our feet wide. The second important part is the rotation
of your trunk. This will start to increase the potential of the speed of our racket.
So on our backswing we’re rotating back, and on our follow through we’re rotating forward. There’s a transfer of your weight from your
back leg to your front leg but your legs aren’t moving during the stroke. Your stroke at the
start puts your weight on your back leg and as you rotate through then your weight goes
onto your front leg. The other thing you can start to do is just
vary the finish position of your racket. When we’re doing the basic forehand topspin we’re
finishing right up here near your eyebrow. As you start to advance your stroke and perhaps
try and hit the ball a little bit faster, you can get the bat finishing more forward.
The important thing though is that you’re still finishing up nice and high and not swinging
down too low. The other important part is where your bat
finishes. It’s important that the bat doesn’t finish past the centre line of your body.
So here’s the centre line, I don’t want the bat going anywhere past that line so this
is a good position. Now it can be up here right near my eyebrow or it can be more forward
but wherever it is it’s not crossing that centre line of my body. If you do go across
that centre line you’re starting to compromise your coordination and your recovery. If you do want a bigger stroke you can twist
your body through and as you can see now the bat still hasn’t gone past the centre line
of my body so I’m still coordinated, I’m still balanced and ready to recover for the next
ball. The other aspect of a more advanced forehand
is that their not going to be playing the ball straight to you all the time so now we
need to incorporate some movement. Thinking about what you can see on our basic footwork
lessons, we move across the table. Now the important part then though is to make sure
that you’re stopped and ready and balanced to make that advanced forehand. So if we’re
in this position, the next ball is coming over to the middle, what I need to do is make
sure I move across, get a nice balanced position, and then start to engage my legs, my twisting,
and my arm, to execute a really effective forehand topspin. To advance your forehand topspin you can use
your wrist. Now on the basic forehand topspin we keep the wrist fairly firm and move your
arm through in this sort of action. What you can do now is just relax the wrist.
On the backswing it will flow backwards, and then on the follow through it will flow forward.
You’re just adding a little bit of extra movement of your racket which will increase the racket
head speed which will increase the speed and the spin of the ball. The next thing we are going to think about
is the angle of our racket. Do you have your angle at 90 degrees to the floor? 80, 70,
60, 45? It becomes really complicated if you start to worry about the small degrees of
your racket. A more important thing to think about is the result of what’s happening with
the ball. If the ball is going to far it means you need to close your angle over a little
bit. If it’s going into the net you can open your angle. Some other principles to think
about are, if your bat is moving slowly with a very closed face the ball will drop off
but if you start to get a much faster swing with your bat then the ball is going to grip
the rubber and be projected forward. So there are a lot of little things to think about.
That’s why it’s important that you don’t make it too complicated. Have a look at where the
ball is going and then make some minor adjustments each time. That’s the way to get a really
good advanced forehand topspin.

Comments (100)

  1. Thanks coach…practically I see good results in my game after this video !

  2. Hi, do you guys have a video or tip for the forehand topspin hook and forehand topsping fade? In case you call it in another way it's a topspin with some sidespin to place it wide in the table.

  3. My forehand topspin sometimes goes out of the table…can u help me ???

  4. thanks a lot😃

  5. Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?

  6. Man I can really see the spin you guys are putting on the ball. Love the videos!

  7. u guys are very into that finishing position thing but W the f does that matter lol it's the contact of the ball that's important isn't it not where the racket ends up

  8. Love all the videos….:):X:P:D

  9. You really deserve more subscribers

  10. oh man, love your music choice 🙂

  11. I have a Problem my topspien don't have much spin

  12. can somebody help me

  13. my tospien goes Mostly about the plate and don't have much spin and i have got a good bat with much grip i don't know why that so is

  14. what about the head of the bat , before contact, is going to point the floor , or is parallel to the floor ? thank you in advance

  15. I have a question how much ttr do you have

  16. How hard do you need to rub the ball or glide the ball Alex???

  17. I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.

  18. c'è bisogno della traduzione in italiano

  19. Alois I notice that your racket moves a bit past the centre line. The same happens with me. Is that okay?

  20. Is there any website of yours where I could upload videos and you would help me configure the most suitable racket for me?

  21. I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.

  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDVuNI2zQ_A

  23. he's crossing his center line on the finish position…… just saying…. F- for him

  24. Where is this guy from???

  25. so I switch to forehand looping (c-pen)
    and my friends told me that I am terrible at top spin drills since my loop tends to have more side spin..
    They say that its good for actual game.. but its difficult to practice drills with me 🙁
    Do you have tips for me…

  26. awesome can you tell us how to improve the rubber grip

  27. Hey Alois I have been trying to hit the forehand topspin but unfortunately it just goes way above the table. What do you think the problem might be?

  28. Can you guys make a video on countering very fast topspin with topspin of your own?

  29. Thnks very much ping skills.

  30. hi i wanted to ask is there any relation with power for this stroke as i have a wide body built and went to gym
    i happen to bring more power than spin what to do for this i have tibhar genius rubber on my for hand
    can you help me

  31. great video..thanks a ton

  32. It's really hard to understand how anyone can dislike this video, smh. I mean, how much better can this get? Good job guys 👍 God bless 🙏

  33. That looks more like a loop drive. Not really a full loop. Still a lot of good tips. The coach I use is trying to get me to throw the ball up higher with more spin and a slower speed. Thanks for the vid.

  34. Mantap is very good

  35. Really like the video. Got one question: where is the best contact point on the paddle for this type of forehand top spin? Thanks.

  36. What is the best way to return a fast low ball top spin? Should I block or should I loop kill?

  37. Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim

  38. thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players………………… good job keep going.

  39. Ping skills you are the best till now

  40. These videos are the best thing over. i m learning alot

  41. I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago…
    Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good… I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..

  42. Se ve fantástico y didáctico, me gustaría oírlo en
    castellano

  43. Alios Rosario‘s spin is like Vildamir Samsonov.

  44. pingskills what to do to not ping pong please help

  45. I love this video

  46. alois became more black

  47. with more skills

  48. I love your channel …. !!!! It helps me alot…. Thankyou for making these helpful videos….!! Keep it up..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  49. are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.

  50. Very cool advice about racket angle! I love this video 🙂

  51. awesome one helped me a lot 🙂

  52. hello alois sir, I am a boy of 11 years old and I want to know how can I make my topspin more powerful. please tell me

  53. It really works thanks ping skill

  54. Do I need. To bend my wrist while doing top spin?

  55. I recently used my phone to make a video of my practice sessions and I was dissapoonted to see that my tennis roots are still showing in my forehand 😐. I don't drop that racket head quite low enough (waist height instead of knee height) and and I often times end up finishing well above my head when I hit with more power. The end result on the ball is great but I feel like I am doing something wrong here. Is this okay, or do I need to work on this some more? I really want my forehand to start looking like yours and Alois. My backhand looks absolutely fantastic though if I must say so myself.

  56. Anybody else read "advanced foreheadspin"?

  57. thanks for the great video, really appreciated

  58. The music enjoy and fun

  59. You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!

  60. How improve low hight top spin practice.

  61. After watching this video I m clear this,more thanks.

  62. But doesn’t Jun Mizutani finish past the line though?

  63. does anyone know what this move is called? It's where you don't bring the bat up but you have it at an angle and you start fairly high. There is still a brushing motion but it is not going upwards, but forwards.

  64. Where should my contact be on the ball in my forehand topspin? Should it be shoulder width, in front of me, behind me, next to me, etc?

  65. I can't stop doing this stupid shot. I lose so many points. don't do topspin kids. it ruined my table tennis interest

  66. That guy is definitely not using his legs…

  67. im a national under 13 champion and i want some verry complicated shots to do.

  68. I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: https://www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes

    Cheers,
    Jeff & Alois

  69. 1:30 Anyone else hear that ? 😂

  70. We should cross the centre line and hit with full swing

  71. Great instruction.

  72. Name of the salsa song? 😀

  73. What bat are u using??

  74. Why do you guys bend your arm instead of straightening it out for more bat speed? Just curious.

  75. So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.

  76. I think wrist movement should be the last thing a player consider but it definitely makes ball trajectory higher according to horizontal movement of paddle. On the other hand it seems more professional 🙂

  77. 3:38 how come Jeff’s bat was finishing last his ‘Center line’? Is this just a rule of thumb?

  78. Can you please tell when does the return to a topspin goes into the net?

  79. every now and then i come to pingskills videos to review my basics, and i ALWAYS learn or remember a lot of things

  80. Says to not let the bat cross your Center line, 10 seconds later, bat is passing his center line

  81. I won my school level tournament …….thankssssss

  82. Is that true In holding racket grip using index and thumb and no pressure in 3rd-5ft finger they said you will get a Much more consistent and good touch? FH and BH performance?
    The hold pressure is thumb and index finger only.

  83. My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it…what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"

  84. The best teachers of table tennis in the internet.

  85. I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?

  86. ur trainee/demonstrator is crossing the central line

  87. 6:15 min the blue 👕 couch he is crossing the centre of the body while hitting the topspin ball which comes with a block

  88. I like Tom Lodziak video’s best one 👍👍👍

  89. This type of videos are good to improve my virtual tables tennis game skills 😀 😀

  90. Great video , I coach my students using this video . Very much appreciated !

  91. I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.

  92. Thought you mentioned earlier the bat cannot go beyond center line. But i saw in the wrist section, it went over. Need more explanation on this.

  93. Love how they both going past their center line after telling us not to

  94. Fantastic techniques..

  95. Slow motion giving better understanding..

  96. 4:05 wrist movement to counter the spin of ball and make a loop shot

  97. Pingskills I am using penhold but my topspin isn't improving even though I followed all this tips

  98. You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.

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