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Film Theory: Is Dory a LIAR? (Finding Dory) – pt. 2

Film Theory: Is Dory a LIAR? (Finding Dory) – pt. 2


Previously on… Film Theory! Hey, I’ve seen a boat! *echoed* How could Dory remember the boat, but then forget meeting Marlin? I am on to you, Ellen DeGeneres! -Keep swimming, swimming, swimming- “Finding Dory”? More like “Exposing Dory”! The truth is comin’ out! Dory doesn’t suffer from short term memory loss – she’s faking it. /Dramatic thunder clap/ *Film Theory Theme Song* Hello, internet! Welcome to Film-
wait, what was I saying? See, if I had anterograde amnesia like Dory claims, I wouldn’t remember what I’m supposed to say here. But as we talked about last time, Dory
doesn’t have anterograde amnesia. She’s faking her condition to look weaker and
have the other fish underestimate her abilities. It’s a survival tactic. Oh, sure, everything seems to check out.
She can’t remember Marlin’s name, she forgets where she is, can’t even
remember what happened to her parents. But as we found last episode, she slips up. She remembers seeing the boat that took Nemo,
even after she claims to forget who Marlin is. This fact of seeing the boat
should fall under declarative memory, which, if she was truly suffering from short-term memory loss, she should have forgotten. You’ve painted yourself into a corner, Dory. And that’s not the only piece of
evidence I have against you. Today we’re throwing the book at Dory to show that appearances can be deceiving and to get you to view Finding Dory in a whole new context. And here’s the crazy thing. To start exposing Dory’s lies, we don’t even need to look that deep. It all begins with the single most basic fact about Dory: the type of fish she is. Now, Finding Nemo never specifies her species, but judging by her blue body and the black design running out to her yellow tail, we can confidently say that Dory is a blue tang – also known as a Paracanthurus Hepatus, Latin for “incredibly hard to pronounce”. These fish tend to be relatively small, growing up to only twelve inches when they reach adult-hood. And look at that peaceful majesty… And yet, it’s time to explore some true facts about the blue tang. That curvy blue body hides a caudal spine, which extends out when threatened, slashing and wounding predators. That makes Dory like the Wolverine of fish. And that’s not all. If consumed by humans, blue tangs may cause poisoning. And some blue tang fish even have venomous glands in their fins. Wow Dory is far less cute than Finding Nemo would have you believe! Behind that angelic blue body and freckled big – eyed face lies a venomous monster… ZeFrank I miss you and your true facts series Come back to YouTube, COME BACK!! But okay, let’s go back to the whole memory loss thing. Dory states that the source of her short term memory loss is hereditary. DORY: I forget things almost instantly it runs in my family This may be a simple reference to the old myth of goldfish memory: the belief that fish are dumb and have short memory spans; only able to recall events for about three seconds or so. This though is… just not true. Not A True Fact about the Blue Tang Fish actually have surprisingly strong memories lasting for up to a year! Carp that have been caught by fishermen have been seen to avoid hooks for up to a year afterwards Researchers even discovered that they can learn to associate certain sounds with food and then remember it 5 months later! There is ample evidence that fish are just as intelligent as mammals, capable of the same intellectual feats as rats or mice. They can learn their way around mazes; they can learn to recognise other fish and they can remember prey from predator. Thus we can’t dismiss Dory’s short term memory loss as just being symptomatic of her being a fish So the question remains then: Can you inherit short term memory loss from your parents? The answer here is, once again, is a big NO. Short-term memory loss is typically caused in one of two ways: drug and alcohol abuse or severe brain trauma. Benzodiazepine drugs, typically used to treat panic attacks, if misused can cause amnesia induced side effects; drinking a bunch of alcohol can cause blackouts which blocks the brain’s ability to transfer short-term memories into long term memory. So if you go out the late night bender and can’t remember what happened to you the night before, congratulations! You just gave yourself anterograde amnesia! A winner is YOU! And chronic alcoholism can lead to Korsakoff’s Syndrome, where brain cells aren’t able to produce enough energy and as a result break down and cause permanent anterograde amnesia. So unless Dory is regularly swimming her way out of a bourbon bottle, it’s not gonna do it. Although, That would be a very different movie * Dramatic music begins * New from Pixar, An uplifting family friendly story of one fish’s struggle to combat alcoholism Coming this summer, Finding Dory – In The Gutter *Just keep swimming, slowed down A LOT* Rated R On the other side traumatic brain injury, typically to the hippocampus and surrounding cortices can also cause anterograde amnesia. Or to treat a serious disorder like epilepsy or a tumor, patients will have parts of their brain removed. These procedures successfully cure the disorder, but can often resolve in anterograde amnesia. Notice though that none of these instances, Brain Trauma, Alcohol & Drug Abuse are hereditary. In fact, there is no scientific proof that anterograde amnesia has ever been passed down genetically. NONE! Dory, unless she is a unicorn of biology quite simply is lying about the cause of her amnesia. Which again, throws into question her having amnesia in the first place! But that sounds crazy right, people faking an illness as extreme as amnesia! But here’s the thing, it’s not as crazy as it sounds. In fact it’s so common that it even has a name. Faking amnesia would be considered a type of ‘Malingering’, in which people fake symptoms of an illness to achieve some goal. Getting out of work, getting taken care of or in Dory’s case, increasing your odds of survival in the dangerous ocean. So, outside of the scientific inconsistencies in her story, How do we prove, outright PROVE, that she’s malingering? Well, it’s not as hard as you might think. Most fakers tend to Ferris Bueller their symptoms, over-exaggerate them by putting in extra effort to make them look sick. FERRIS: “The key to faking out the parents is the clammy hands.” Take for instance the “hand coin” test. If I put a quarter in my RIGHT hand, you can easily tell me which hand the coin is in. Unless of course, you WEREN’T PAYING ATTENTION, XxPixarLover15! [Pissed MatPat is PISSED] There’s ALWAYS one of you; jeez, you think I do these videos for my health or something? I’m doing this for YOU. [MatPat please calm yourself] Anyway, to CATCH YOU UP, the coin is in my right hand. Amnesiacs, though, can’t remember which hand
the coin is in and are forced to guess. Meaning that, by the laws of probability, they’ll guess correctly around fifty percent of the time. Fakers, though, will exaggerate their bad performance. They’ll remember which hand the coin is in and to look sick, will deliberately choose the wrong one. As a result, their tally of correct to incorrect guesses
will be below chance. They’re throwing the test, but
they’re throwing it a bit too hard! And when it comes to short-term memory loss, there’s a BUNCH of proven scientific tests to catch you in the act. These tests are referred to as symptom validity tests. For example, the test of memory malingering,
otherwise known as TOMM, is a 50-question visual recognition test,
where examinees are shown fifty drawings, numbers, words or symbols for
around three seconds each. After all the drawings have been shown, the examiner then shows the examinees two different drawings: one from the fifty previously shown and one new one. The examinee is then asked to name which of the two drawings he had previously seen. By purely guessing, an amnesiac
would score fifty percent right. And across all of these tests,
it was found that suspected malingerers scored worse than actual anterograde amnesiacs. And that’s not all: malingerers tend to have
a slower response time to questions. They take great pains in answering, as if they’re struggling to figure out
what the correct answer was. (MatPat mocking) hmmmm, uhhhhh,
oooooh, that’s a tough one, erghhhh. True amnesiacs, however, tend not to have that much delay between question and answer. And finally, psychologists used what’s known as
the primacy effect to test so-called amnesiacs. This is the tendency to more easily remember items from the beginning of a list rather than the middle. So if I give you the numbers 8, 2, 9, 6, 3, 5, 5, 9, 6, 2, you’re most likely to remember the number 8, because it was the first number of the bunch. Fakers show this effect, people with amnesia don’t. Knowing all that, look at Dory. Dory, like most malingerers, consistently answers questions wrong, far below mere chance. Midway through Finding Nemo, a school
of fish tries to give Dory directions by showing her a number of different sea creatures. However, Dory is unable to identify a single one, failing to recognize a swordfish,
a lobster and an octopus. Now, you’re probably thinking: Hey MatPat, give Dory a break. Maybe she can’t remember what
an octopus or swordfish are called. She does have anterograde amnesia, after all. Except, Dory previously has shown that she has quite a knack for remembering different aquatic life. She easily identifies a shark, – DORY: “Hey look, shark!” – a whale, – DORY: “O-oh, big fella! Whale!” – even a seagull! /Dory glares at the crab and holds it up for the seagulls to see./ SEAGULL: “Mine.” So how come right then and there, she’s unable to
come up with three very common sea creatures? Sure, maybe she can’t name one or two, but… all three? It’s almost like she’s deliberately getting them wrong: playing into her short-term memory loss,
answering way below chance. And in that scene, Dory agonizes
over her answers: [Roll tape] DORY: “Wait, um-” MARLIN: (impatiently) “It’s a swordfish!” MOONFISH: “Where’s the butter?” DORY: “Oh-oh-oh! It’s on the tip of my tongue.” Much like a malingerer would,
she exaggerates her condition: a telltale sign of a FAKER. You want more proof? Look no further than
all the times Dory gets Nemo’s name wrong. She calls him Fabio, Chico, Bingo, Harpo, Elmo… Now the fact that Dory can’t remember Nemo’s name is consistent with anterograde amnesia, but look closely at all the names she calls him: they all end with an O, just like Nemo. But someone really suffering from anterograde amnesia would be just as likely to call Nemo…
John [OMG what did you do to that poor fish], or Paul [STAHP], or Ringo [JFC]. They would have no idea, no context,
that his name would end with an O. The very fact that Dory chooses names
that are close to Nemo, but not quite, is proof that she remembers his name and is deliberately struggling and trying to get them wrong. Dory even recalls information in
accordance with the primacy effect: she memorizes the address for
where Nemo is being held – P. Sherman
42 Wallaby Way
Sydney – yet in her moving speech
to Marlin at the end of the movie, she struggles to remember the complete address,
only able to identify the beginning – just like a faker would. DORY: “P. Sherman, 42- f- ugh… forty… two… ugh!” In fact, throughout Finding Nemo,
Dory shows inconsistent base knowledge: when she meets Bruce the shark, she’s not scared at all, like she doesn’t know what sharks are,
or that they eat fish! Yet later, after discovering a scuba mask, she correctly identifies sharks below her. DORY: “Hey look, shark!” MARLIN: “No no no-!” And then one more time, by the end of the film,
she tells the sharks to remember not to eat fish. ANCHOR: “Remember, fish are friends…” DORY: “…not food! Bye!” So which way is it, Dory? Do you remember what a shark is or NOT? Do you remember that they eat fish or NOT? ‘Cuz if you didn’t know that they eat fish the first time you met ’em, then you shouldn’t remember hours and days later
at the end of the movie when you see them again. So which is it, Dory?
Do you know whether sharks eat fish or NOT? CHECKMATE!! Checkmate, you fictional, computer-animated fish, you!! WE GOTCHA!!!
[MatPat calm down will you please–] So you always thought Finding Nemo was
a wholesome tale about a good-hearted father finding his kidnapped son with the help of
a lovable but simple-minded companion, NOPE. Let me break down what’s really happening here. Dory, completely alone, sees another lone fish, screaming about his missing child; a kindred spirit, an easy mark. Dory uses her perceived weakness to trick predators,
like the shark, whale, jellyfish, anglerfish, who all just buy what Dory’s selling. When Marlin attempts to get away from her,
Dory immediately begins to cry, emotionally manipulating the clownfish
to take her along with him. Over the course of the film,
she pretends to slowly get better, linking her perceived progress with Marlin. Now, Marlin can’t leave Dory out of guilt, because he thinks he’s the only thing keeping her together. And that is the true story of Finding Nemo: how a con artist manipulated the emotions
of a grieving father into letting her into his home. But hey, that’s just a theory… a FILM THEORY! Aaaaand… CUT! If you like this video and want the TRUTH,
tweet this at Dory herself. Ellen DeGeneres, @TheEllenShow
#ExposingDory You know we tried the same thing with Leonardo DiCaprio and sent him literally THOUSANDS of tweets… and he never responded. Thanks alot for the appreciation in us helping you get an Oscar… Leo. Who knows though, maybe this time a big celebrity will take notice and give this video the response it deserves. Or if you don’t like pestering a celebrity
voice actor to get information about a
fictional character conspiracy theory, then click here! It’ll take you to the wisecrack channel, which I talk about a bunch during these end cards, but it’s because it’s one of my favorite
channels on YouTube right now. Seriously, Jared over there, the main writer,
does some incredible videos that are both hilarious and super interesting. They just did a phenomenal video on Deadpool
that blew my mind like, five times, I kid you not. Definitely worth a watch. Please, if you’re interested in checking them out,
click here, and tell ’em that MatPat sent ya. And with that, I’m done for the day. Next time, I’m tackling something a bit more… sweet. See ya then. [Thanks for reading my subtitles!!]

Comments (100)

  1. Not hating but it’s a kids movie. It’s gonna be f**ked up in many parts

  2. This scarred me and my child hood

  3. And HOW could Dory KNOW that she has short memory loss? If anyone told her "Hey, you've got amnesia", being true, that would get removed out of Dory's head in an instant.

  4. This is big brain. I wish I put half the effort you put in for anything.

  5. I love the beatles references hahahahah

  6. The zefrank1 true facts reference was beautiful…. Thank you….

  7. But Ringo ends in o

  8. when the cup of tea and the liquid tea break

  9. Ellen should have you on the show dude

  10. what did i learn from this video? hoe to properly feign short term memory loss

  11. Wait Ringo ends with an O

  12. Mat became Zefrank lol

  13. 6 14 1 6 sovle this

    Hint: it's split in letters

  14. Ringo ends in o matpat

  15. Bonus fact, if she was born with short term memory she wouldnt know she was bprn with short term memory.

  16. Dory is not lying maybe she has seen another boat in past and told marlin that I have seen a boat that's why she is not able to tell the way the boat has gone

  17. And yeah maybe Dory doesn't remember the the words of the book ammisia

  18. why you gotta do this to me TwT

  19. Disney pixar: doesn't do their research properly.

    Matpat: DORI DOESN'T HAVE AMNESIA.

  20. Maybe she has amnesia but is just a dumbass too.

  21. It's a fish why is it sO deeeep

  22. Her parents dont have amnesia

  23. Is there even a xxxpixarlover

  24. No wonder why I keep forgetting things after gym…

  25. In defense of xxpixarlover, he’s saying YOUR left

  26. If she was faking, why would she fake to her parents (during the flashback).

  27. 2:09 is a blue powder tang, not a traditional blue tang.

  28. Pixar: stay right where you are matpat

  29. in google it says that dory got his short tarn memory when he was young but how can he read English very good

  30. How about no it’s a kids ?movie

  31. Matpat says jingOOOOO????

  32. I disagree–MatPat would know the intro through repetition.

  33. if a women or fish in this case could drinking affects the brain of the baby

  34. soooooo do i have an anterograde amnesia…..because i always well maybe sometimes forgets my classmates names and sometimes i forget my names spelling

  35. Did he know Ringo ends with an o

  36. Or may be Pixar did not do research

  37. In short, Dory's a con artist? Ok

  38. i have trouble remembering and it is natural

  39. "Oh, big fella. Whale."

  40. The only thing I forget in life….. Names. Names of everything. So I say what's your face because I forgot how to pronounce it but ik who you are.

  41. Wow just wow I would never take more than an hour on something you research for fricken days and days wow

  42. The fish memory thing is so true I would feed my gold fish as soon as I got home so whenever he here’s my door shut he goes to the top of the tank and waits for food

  43. im glad that zefrank is here again

  44. watching how much proof are in these videos make me happy

  45. MatPat be my lawyer.

  46. You know the funny thing is that a malingrer could watch this and learn what not to do so people don't catch their bluff

  47. Wait! What was this video about?

  48. Matpat as you said people who recite just keep Swimming but don’t you always say hello internet welcome to film theory meaning that it’s declarative memory

  49. Finding Dory…in a gutter

  50. Dory! How could you lie to us?!

  51. 2:04 if Nemo was in rwlblo

  52. Wouldn't you remember what to say since that would fall under procedural memory? I mean you've been saying it at the start of every FT episode.

    Love your videos though.

  53. ringo ends with an o 9:58

  54. So, I know interagrade amnesia isn’t genetic but something is though that is cancer maybe brain cancer runs in dory’s family

  55. Nobody cares about the fact that dory is lying. It's a children's movie

  56. Unless you have a.d.d you have short tram mearmy

  57. I was going to write a comment for this video , but I can't seem to remember what it was .

  58. I forgot the first number

  59. Dory is an ALCOHOLIC!

  60. The only thing I don’t understand here is the motive, if she was human, Dory’s tactic would make sense but being an animal, animals often go after the weaker prey which require less energy to hunt.

  61. when will you stop ruining my childhood movies experiences

  62. Well I mean its this or Disney sucks at portraying mental illness and just wants to give kids false hope that anything is possible

  63. ZEE FRANK HAS RETURNED!!!! He listened!

  64. It’s only because the writers of the movie don’t have people with the condition and have to fake memory loss to write a good character with short term memory loss

  65. I just have a bad memory

  66. U sound wayy too sick

  67. Who came to the comments thinking that Ellen responded?

  68. Annnnd it's gone!
    What do you mean it's gone?
    It's gone.

  69. MatPat: Says Number
    Me: The first one is three

  70. Maybe she forgot she had amnesia.

  71. but how would dory even remember that she has short term memory loss or how she gott it it just all adds up to how she is faking wooow

  72. Thanks MatPat I can now fake short term memory loss

  73. waiti forgot the letter 8 was even in there

  74. Your true fact voice…

  75. Ehm … Did you also have a (faked?) stroke of anterograde amnesia at 9:48 / 9:58 MatPat? 'Ringo' also ends with an 'o' so Dory guessing 'Ringo' would not improve her believability in comparison to Fabio, Cheeko, Bingo, Harpo and Elmo

  76. What I can’t wut was I going to say

  77. I wish I had anterograde amnesia so I could forget this theory

  78. I only remember 89&2

  79. Matpat: says john, paul, ringo
    Me: OMg YES I LOVE THEM

  80. On the other hand, cognitive problems do not always follow a strictly consistent pattern. I have ADD, and sometimes I manage to remember stuff, sometimes I don't, or just part of it. Things like my levels of stress, sleep deprivation, my emotional state or my diet impact the severity of my short term memory problems: on some days I almost function like a normal person, on some others I feel like I have early onset Alzheimer's (and I mean no offense to those who have it, it's just a diagnosis I have seriously considered before my ADD was finally diagnosed).
    The second movie shows Dory was like that since her childhood – probably even from birth, which makes brain trauma an unlikely explanation compared to an innate disorder (she even says "it runs in my family")… Hostile reactions from people who do not believe an invisible disability is real are a BIG problem for sufferers, so, this is a fun video, but in real life, please don't jump to the conclusion someone is faking it. 😉

  81. what if she really has amnesia but was stolen in a boat

  82. T license flying her amnesia because I'm Dory to we found out that she wasn't lying because our parents told us that she had the type of

  83. Dory forgets she has short term memory loss and no longer has short term memory loss

  84. Love your Video's! 🙂 Just one thing though.. Your video says Finding Dory which is the second movie in the franchise, yet you only used facts and information from the first movie Finding Nemo… Are you going to do a part 3 with facts and info from the Finding Dory movie? (even though I know these 2 parts say it all). Just the title of your video says "Finding Dory" on both Part 1 & 2 of this theory, so I was expecting to see Finding Dory being exploited and not Finding Nemo. Please keep this in mind for future videos. Honestly a bit disappointed that this theory didn't cover Finding Dory at all considering it's in the video title. 🙁

  85. Malingerers who fake short term memory are horrible people
    I have bad memory, sure, but I would never fake a condition that serious

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